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NexGen Considering Replacing League With Tournament Series As Teams Look To Compromise

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As a committee of players representing the 18 teams selected for the proposed NexGen league continues to talk with USA Ultimate about the Triple Crown Tour this week, the sides appear to be approaching a compromise.

NexGen’s Kevin Minderhout tells Ultiworld that a pilot project — consisting of a series of four tournaments, each with four teams — may take the place of the broader vision of the NexGen league, at least for the 2013 season.

“I met with the [team] representatives and one of the ideas that was pitched in there was piloting the league,” said Minderhout. “It wasn’t specific, exactly how it would look, but I liked the idea…I’ve come up with a four event series focused on regional event play, rather than having teams fly.”

NexGen would hold four regional tournaments for sixteen of the original eighteen teams. Philadelphia’s Southpaw and Pittsburgh’s Oakland would be left out. The tournaments would be over a two-day weekend (not a three-day one including Friday, as in the original proposal) and would look much like the original proposal — streamed games, paid admission for spectators, and round robin play followed by a 1v4, 2v3 playoff format.

But these would just be standard tournaments; teams would not become owners of a new league. This would allow them, Minderhout explained, to see if the revenue stream is strong enough to support a separate league.

“One of the key things is proof of concept,” said Minderhout. “Being able to go in and do these successfully, and say, ‘Hey, alright, rather than: these are projections based off of these other things that are sort of similar that we think are good.’ Being able to say, ‘Hey, these are projections based off of: this is what actually happened when we did something like this.’”

Proving the viability of the NexGen league has become a major sticking point for teams, according to Minderhout. “I think it’s a really smart idea coming from those guys,” he said. “And I think it allows people to feel more confident in the idea.”

A team representative said, “No decisions have been made but we are proposing solutions that would benefit both sides.” A conference call is scheduled today between teams and USA Ultimate to discuss those solutions.

If the teams moved forward with the new suggested format, the tournaments would likely be these (based off of geography):

West Regional South Regional East Regional North Regional
Seattle Sockeye Austin Doublewide New York PoNY Columbus Madcow
Vancouver Furious George Boulder Johnny Bravo Washington D.C. Truck Stop Chicago Machine
Portland Rhino Atlanta Chain Lightning Toronto GOAT Minneapolis SubZero
San Francisco Revolver North Carolina Ring of Fire Boston Ironside Madison Club

Having a trial run for the teams accomplishes a number of goals. It avoids the 2014 Worlds Club Championships bid problem, because teams will still be playing in the USA Ultimate Triple Crown Tour. It also gives teams an opportunity to consider the different formats of USAU and NexGen. And, as described above, it allows for a more clear picture of the revenue opportunities available to teams if they were to start their own league.

Considering that Boulder’s Johnny Bravo will be hosting the TCT’s Elite/Select Flight Challenge at Colorado Cup and that Raleigh’s Triangle Flying Disc Association will be hosting the US Open, it appears unlikely that teams will decide to play in the full NexGen league this year.

In fact, the TFDA emailed a press release that said, “A total of 24 of the highest calibre mens, womens and mixed teams from across the country and around the globe will compete for the second-ever U.S. Open title at the WRAL Soccer Center. Among those teams will be Raleigh’s Ring of Fire, which by dint of its top-four finish at Club Nationals last year is guaranteed a spot at the U.S. Open.”

Minderhout concedes that it is looking less likely that teams will decide to leave USAU and start the NexGen league, at least this year. But he thinks there is still a chance. He is prepared to shift gears and plan for the four-tournament series.

“I’m ready to do it,” he said.”I would be happy to do that. I’m happy if we need to do the whole thing, I’m ready to do the whole thing. I’ve got both things ready.”

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  • Jordan

    Sounds like a nice compromise to me. I’m assuming these tournaments would not be sanctioned through USAU? Playing other top teams in your region isn’t a good way to earn bids for the Series.

    Also would any revenue be shared with the teams?

    • Kevin Minderhout

      I don’t see why these events wouldn’t be sanctioned by USAU unless I missed a new rule. :-)

      I’m not sure what’s going to happen, but I’ve also put a three event, 6-team round robin option on the table which includes all 18 proposed team. These events would mimic those of the proposed league.

      The pilot business structure would be very traditional in that NexGen would run the event and bear all the risk of profit and loss. There would be no bid fees for participating teams.

  • Anon

    This is what having no real plan and having no real value looks like. Whoever said that the players were using NexGen as a bargaining chip for USAU was right on the money. I think it’s pretty obvious that they’re still using him too. Even better is that they’re going to make him put up his time and money as a proof on concept.

    Kevin, hope you get some reward because you certainly have all of the risk.

    • Juice

      You have no idea what you’re talking about. If you were involved in the conversations amongst the teams and kevin you’d know that. Of course there is a risk for Kevin, but to say that they were just “using him” is untrue. All of the teams were seriously considering the NexGen league. It just appears it won’t be happening this year.

      As far as potential reward for him, he’s about to host 4 tournaments with the best teams in the world. He made a profit last year on a much more unorganized exhibition season. I imagine the ultimate community will pay up to see the best teams play in games that matter.

      In the end, I’d say he got the best outcome possible if the NexGen league wasn’t going to happen.

      • ManlyMan

        “he’s about to host 4 tournaments”? Your words make it sound like it is a done deal? Do you have some insider information?

        • Juice

          I’m on the email chain amongst the teams invited to NexGen. If the NexGen league doesn’t happen then I’m very confident these 3-4 tournaments will.

          Kevin says so himself in the article.

          • ManlyMan

            Excellent, can’t wait to see the games.

      • Kevin Minderhout

        For clarification I don’t feel like I’m being used. There has very much been an open, honest discussion throughout the whole process.

  • http://www.facebook.com/troy.revell Troy Revell

    To clarify, Ring of Fire has not told TFDA they are officially committed to the US Open. We are assuming they will be there given that a couple of them were part of the bid conversation, and passing up a hometown international tournament seems unlikely. :-)

    Troy
    -TFDA

  • Dominick

    Any chance of a finals with the winners of each region? That could be a pretty awesome round robin weekend.

    • Kevin Minderhout

      I agree! I think the problem here right now is travel for the teams. With both models I’m proposing combined with the TCT, the rough outline is that every team with the exception of Doublewide would need to fly to 2 tournaments and drive to 1 (albeit this drive might be 7 hours in the case of GOAT to Chicago).

      Now the winners of those events will almost definitely be going to Nationals (now 3 flights), so to get them out to a playoff event would require an extra flight which I don’t think players are ready for and I don’t think the market is prepared to supplement that travel in a meaningful enough way yet to make remove this barrier.

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