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Interview: Ben Wiggins On Major League Ultimate And His Future

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Seattle Rainmakers coach Ben Wiggins.Earlier this week, Major League Ultimate announced that they signed Ben Wiggins as the coach of the Seattle Rainmakers. The news came as a bit of a surprise since Wiggins has been outspoken about his opposition to referees.

We caught up with Wiggins yesterday to talk about his decision and his plans for the upcoming season.

“I’m excited to get involved for a lot of reasons,” said Wiggins. “I don’t think anything is changed from what I said in that article [about using observers in the professional leagues]. And so it’s not like every single thing about the MLU is perfect in my mind…But I guess there’s two sides to it.

“One is, it’s an opportunity to compete. I can’t compete and put the time in that USA Ultimate’s season takes. I can’t play tournaments, I can’t put six months into the season, and I can’t put up the kind of money it takes to play a season well. It’s thousands and thousands of dollars, and that’s not counting any of the time lost for work. I would love to compete – the MLU is supporting me so I can do what I love.”

The shorter season and single-game format makes it possible for Wiggins to balance his work and time with his family with his commitment to the Rainmakers. And he misses the competitive aspect of high-level ultimate. He may even play.

“I have an injury situation which is ongoing,” he said. “I don’t know if I will be physically able to play…We’re gonna work out a system where, if I do play, I’m gonna have a bench role. We’re talking, like, Sam Cassell in his last years in the NBA.”

Certainly the prospect of seeing Wiggins play again could be a big draw for Seattle. In many ways, the format of the MLU could offer many aging stars the chance to play competitively again, without fading into obscurity in the USAU Masters division. Wiggins agreed. “Maybe this is a way some of those top [older] guys can play but just one game a week,” he said.

But there is still the issue of referees. Why is Wiggins — who turned down an opportunity to coach an AUDL team last year because of the ref issue — joining the MLU?

“I could be that guy on the street corner yelling about how refs are bad, or I could get involved,” he said. “And maybe when the decision needs to be made, maybe my voice will be in there. You can either be involved or you can sit on the sidelines and watch. And there’s only so much sitting on the sidelines I want to do.”

“On the other side of things, I do think MLU and AUDL should use observers,” he added. “I think my arguments make sense. But I think that the people working on MLU really want what’s best for the sport and they listen to reason. Right now their reason tells them, go with refs.”

He mentioned that it was very important to him that Spirit of the Game remain a part of the ethos of the sport in the MLU. His contract with the Rainmakers says explicitly that he is to bench players who are not enacting the Integrity Rule. That helped alleviate his concerns.

This will also offer Wiggins an opportunity to play with his younger brother, Seth, who signed with the Rainmakers earlier this month. “He told me that he wouldn’t play unless I coached, but then he signed up before I did,” said Ben. “So what are you gonna do?”

At the end of our interview, I asked Wiggins — widely respected as a top strategic mind — if he had given thought to how he would tweak his offense and defense on the wider MLU field.

“I’ve thought of some things,” he said. “I’m not gonna share anything right now…I think defense is going to be more challenging, and we’re going to have to learn how to use double teams at the right time. Our blitz packages will be complex.”

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About Charlie Eisenhood

Charlie Eisenhood is the editor-in-chief of Ultiworld. He started playing Ultimate in Albuquerque, New Mexico as a high school student. He captained NYU's college team and has played Open Club with Sweet Roll (Albuquerque) and Medicine Men (Baltimore). He lives in Brooklyn. You can reach him by email (charlie@ultiworld.com) or on Twitter (@ceisenhood).

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  • ummuknow

    more important than sotg, make sure your observers don’t wear cowboy hats.

  • joe

    so are we going to be seeing some of this from Ben this year coming off the bench?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2TpiKxQv14&t=0m52s

  • ManlyMan

    Awesome stuff. Always love hearing from Ben. It seems that even if you favor USAU style play, the pro leagues have a number of very enticing benefits for elite players. One thing I don’t understand is Ben’s offer to coach an AUDL team last season. Did he really turn it down because of the ref issue? How was that ever going to work? Did they expect him to move to the city in question? If so, that probably killed the idea right there. If not, I don’t see how it could work.

    • http://www.ultiworld.com/ Charlie Eisenhood

      I left this bit on the editing floor. He, as you point out, would not be able to travel to the East Coast/Midwest for the season. The MLU is in Seattle, giving him an opportunity to be involved.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brent.zionic Brent Zionic

    I listened to the podcast, watched the video, and read the comments from the coach and the players themselves. I think it is prescient of you to review the play, in the context you described. (And some of the most competitive and spirited games I ever played in college – at Colorado – were versus Oregon and Wiggins/Dougie/Josh — I recommend you ask him about the football bet we had, and the foul call he made on me where we decided it by roschambeau (grin) ).

    (1) What I think is missing from your commentary is a deeper clarification of “legitimate.” Both you and the other speaker on the podcast frequently refer to the need for this kind of enforcement or policy in order to help Ultimate become more “legitimate.” For some people, I think the counter-cultural roots that remain strong in the ultimate community would prefer to shun the kind of ‘legitimacy’ you allude to, but don’t fully elucidate. In part it is covered by the discussion of “tiers” of play, but it is clear there is an agenda in your head that should be clarified.

    (2) There’s more discussion about “legitimacy” in the conversation than there is about “player safety,” which is topical considering the recent NFL decision to put neurologists on the sideline next year and (despite Hunter’s suspension) the NBA’s focus on player safety and “fan experience,” also alluded to in your discussion on the changes to the “flopping” rules. Which is more important to the sport? (Or to the growth of the sport?)

    (3) My last comment is about consistency. If there is to be a policy with penalties (and I was in favor of many of your ideas), how do you ensure any kind of consistency in enforcement? Videos can be posted by anyone. Do you require USAU-sanctioned tourneys to have Observers at all games as a consequence?

    BZ (Colorado coach)

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