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Exclusive Early Details About Major League Ultimate, The New Professional Ultimate League

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The logo for Major League Ultimate.Late last week, Jeff Snader, the owner of the Philadelphia Spinners, announced in an interview that the Spinners have left the American Ultimate Disc League and will be starting a new professional league. “I’m not going to get into everything right now,” said Snader. “But I can tell you that Major League Ultimate will be here.”

It’s true. There will be a new professional league called Major League Ultimate. It already has a website and a twitter account. Ultiworld has exclusive new details about the league, which has been in discussion for months now.

There are three primary organizers of the MLU to this point: Snader; Nic Darling, who worked in the Spinners organization and now serves as Vice President of Marketing for the MLU; and Skip Sewell, a Seattle Sockeye captain and long-time Ultimate organizer.

Sewell met Snader and Darling earlier this year when he traveled to Philadelphia to watch a Spinners game. “I just really wanted to see what was going on,” he said. “From the west coast perspective, [the AUDL] was a black box.”

He found out that they were already working on building a new league and Sewell, who says he has “long thought professional ultimate is viable and almost necessary,” jumped on board.

In conversations with Sewell and Darling, both were reserved and cautious with their wording, but did share some information about the league.

Sewell’s involvement raises one question immediately. Will the west coast have teams? “We are planning on having a bicoastal league,” said Darling. “We’ll have plenty more information on that shortly.”

Although Philadelphia is certainly on this list, neither Sewell nor Darling would talk specifically about what cities would host teams. But Darling explained what they looked for. “The key identifiers for markets for us were a population to support a sports team and an existing sports culture,” he said. “Contrary to what one might think, more sports in a market doesn’t create competition. They actually feed on each other. And the existing Ultimate community, particularly a strong youth Ultimate scene.”

Sewell added, “We are looking to appeal to youth Ultimate players right away. We expect them to be a primary audience right off the bat.”

One of the major problems that has confronted the AUDL is an organizational structure that leaves teams on their own with no reinforcing incentives. The front office makes money by selling new franchises, but the teams make money by selling tickets and building their individual brand. The MLU plans to change that.

“We’ve looked at the [Major League Soccer] model as a guideline,” said Darling. “That model has been adopted by some other people as well. I can say for now that we are developing a system which is mutually beneficial for teams. That is, no party can fail while others succeed.”

Major League Soccer has a unique organizational model in sports. It is a single-entity business that owns all the teams. Each team is run by an “owner,” who is actually just a shareholder in the league. This means that every owner has their incentives aligned with everyone else’s. There is significant revenue sharing and the league itself contracts the players. The system allows poorly-performing teams to still have access to the same chunk of money for player salaries as the top clubs.

Whether the MLU model will look exactly like this is yet to be announced. Sewell did say, “The most important thing for us is stability.” A model like MLS’ is inherently designed to be stable.

But a big question still looms in the background: can the MLU and the AUDL coexist?

“We believe ours is a stronger model,” said Sewell. “I think time will tell what happens with the AUDL. In terms of players and in terms of audience, we don’t really believe we’re going to get into a turf war. Certainly I believe that if we establish our model and the stability that we’re going for, it will be a natural choice for the audience and the players.”

Both Sewell and Darling were confident that the league would host its first game next year. “We have enough stability with our plans that this is going to go forward for 2013…,” said Sewell. “We have investors and are seeking additional investors.”

Much more information about the league will be released later this week as they prepare to soft-launch their website. But their enthusiasm, despite withholding information, is clear.

“We really see Ultimate as having a great deal of potential right now,” said Darling.

A side note: back in 2006, there was a small experimental league called Major League Ultimate that pitted top players against each other at Potlatch, a famous tournament in Seattle. There were various rule changes, including the addition of referees and a two-point line. It is unclear whether the new professional league will bear any resemblance — other than the name — to the 2006 version.

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Charlie Eisenhood is the editor-in-chief of Ultiworld. He started playing Ultimate in Albuquerque, New Mexico as a high school student. He captained NYU's college team and has played Open Club with Sweet Roll (Albuquerque) and Medicine Men (Baltimore). He lives in Brooklyn. You can reach him by email (charlie@ultiworld.com) or on Twitter (@ceisenhood).

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  • Tom

    I’m not sure that the AUDL and MLU will be able to coexist. When a lot of people think ‘AUDL’ they think lawsuit and litigation; not professional ultimate. I think that as long as MLU stays transparent and avoids controversy in it’s first full season, it will become the dominant professional league and the AUDL will fade quickly.

  • Dan

    Wonderful… Another mutant version of Ultimate aimed at making someone else money.

    What would be really nice is if these clowns started to work with the existing infrastructure and stopped trying to reinvent the wheel with substandard materials (in this case, players).

    The only way Pro Ultimate will work is if the best teams in america play in it. That means, Sockeye, Ironside, Revolver, DoubleWide et al.

    ps. Referees are unneeded. Hopefully they go with observers and the real rules to ultimate.

    • L

      “What would be really nice is if these clowns started to work with the existing infrastructure and stopped trying to reinvent the wheel with substandard materials (in this case, players).”

      You can’t. Because the infrastructure (USA Ultimate) doesn’t want to listen. If you can’t work with them, do it better and sooner or later they’ll come crawling back begging to work with you or buy you out entirely.

    • Travis

      “What would be really nice is if these clowns started to work with the existing infrastructure”

      Until NexGen stepped in USAU did a terrible job at broadcasting ultimate in professional manner. Their announcers and camera work were embarrassingly bad.

      USAU is a set of wheels that needs reinventing.

      • Brent

        Uh, Travis, you do realize that USA Ultimate bankrolls NexGen to broadcast their college and club championships, right? USAU has never broadcast ultimate. In the past they hired Ultivillage and last year began contracting NexGen to do it.

  • Knappy

    This is exciting news. Three respected, trustworthy, longtime ultimate players running the league is a big difference from the AUDL. Anyone who went to a Spinner games this year would tell you it was an exciting experience, and the presentation was top notch despite the limitations of the AUDL. This concept is a pathway to getting the top players on board for a summer pro league, which would be an exciting step forward for the sport’s best athletes.

  • Guest

    Really? Do we really need two professional ultimate Frisbee leagues in this world? You have professional sports franchises in long-established sports that are failing; how will a sport that the overwhelming portion of the public views as child’s play succeed when other basketball and baseball clubs fail? (only 4 NBA teams were profitable in 2011)

    • Travis

      in 2011 the NBA season was struggling with a lock out. Additionally basketball has gotten to the point where teams hardly play defense and games consistently score 100+ points. Its not exciting. Ultimate does not have that issue. Its a young developing sport that is constantly growing new strategies and highlight worthy plays.

  • Steve

    Where is Toad in all this?

  • Sherri Rose

    sounds promising.. excited :) ) the talk of ‘youth’ is both eluding and intriguing..

  • Kevin

    In regards to NBA teams not being profitable. There’s more to NBA finances than what the actual team makes. These guys have so many different revenue sources that the team finances are only a small part of the story.

    Also, the MLS went like 8 or 9 years without being profitable. There’s a lot more to the single-entity ownership than profit sharing. A big reason for it was to avoid legal issues related to controlling playing contracts.

  • ManlyMan

    Now seems like a relevant time to continue discussions regarding potential rule changes. If you were starting a brand new league, what would be the rules? What would be similar to USAU, what would be similar to AUDL, and what might be similar to neither?

  • Guest

    “Three respected, trustworthy, longtime ultimate players running the league is a big difference from the AUDL”. – Knappy

    I wonder if everyone else has had the same experience with Skip and in particular his involvement with Cultimate; an organization that create elite tournaments where elite college teams were able to play often at the expense of younger, smaller college teams paying much higher bid costs for much smaller and often neglected fields.

  • Knappy

    Dear Guest, I don’t know Skip nor did I ever play in any Cultimate tourneys (too old!). Seemed like a lot of players & teams did over the course of several years, so they must’ve done something right. And, like most new businesses, they clearly did a few things wrong, since they’re not in business any longer. In general, I like supporting businesses run by ultimate players, from Five to Breakmark to Ultiphotos, To your point, if they screw up & deliver a product that doesn’t work, they won’t survive. But, I’m still rooting for them.
    I do know Nic & Jeff well, and, as most Philly ultimate players would attest, they’re good guys. They’re also entrepreneurs (heard Nic on NPR earlier in the year touting his eco friendly construction co), and it takes a lot of balls to launch a new business. I’m reserving judgement until more information is available, but I could never get around the fact that the AUDL was run by non-ultimate players who seemed to make a series of comically bad decisions.

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  • Bee

    Bicker bicker… Professional Ultimate rules. Last year ruled! IT was on ESPN, streamed online, merchandise and much more. One or two angry owners going viral didn’t effect my perspective from the stadium seats at Franklin Field. Loved every moment. Look forward to next season’s AUDL or MLU… I’m sure both are going to perfect the already created model, neither staying stagnant.
    Competition fast and entertaining. Long live Ultimate!!!!
    Haters can stay in the parking lot… complaining.

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  • Ryan

    Get a team from either Long Island or in New York City. I live on Long Island and I want to go to a game but I have to go to like another state or drive a long time to buffalo. Please get a team in NYC.

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